oh, and watch out for some of the cheaper fujitsus, like the fi-4110, it uses a completely different chipset, and is not supported by the fujitsu backend. some of the older scsi models use the sp15 or avision backends, i dont know much about those. allan -- "so don't tell us it can't be done, putting down what you don't know. money isn't our god, integrity will free our souls" - Max Cavalera