<font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Thanks Jonas</span></font><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">This all seems in line with what I thought too, so I'm happy with this. I'll take this feedback back to the team.</span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Regards</span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">B</span></font></div><br>On Monday, September 14, 2015, Jonas Smedegaard <<a href="mailto:dr@jones.dk">dr@jones.dk</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Bernelle (and Daniel, if e.g. Bernelle forwards back...),<br>
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Quoting Bernelle Verster (2015-09-14 10:46:44)<br>
> A note from the debconf-team... can you give input on this, and if<br>
> there are concerns (I don't understand enough to know if this is a<br>
> concern or not), we should brainstorm it while this is at an early<br>
> stage.<br>
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Thanks for bringing it up!<br>
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Quoting Daniel Lange (2015-09-10 13:05 UTC)<br>
> Beaker(notebook) is a product by two sigma, Kris' company.<br>
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True, Beaker is developed at the company where Kris work. Obviously<br>
Kris therefore has a special interest in that particular tool (e.g. his<br>
company might permit him to spend company time working on the project if<br>
their product is used), and sponsoring from that company specifically<br>
may be affected by whether their software is included.<br>
<br>
That said, the project is *not* tied to Beaker Notebook. Let me quote<br>
the contexts at <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/ShowMeBox" target="_blank">https://wiki.debian.org/ShowMeBox</a> with Beaker mentioned:<br>
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> ShowMeBox will come loaded with the following software:<br>
> * Standard Debian GNU/Linux system.<br>
> * Web server.<br>
> * Web application for data analysis (such as Beaker, described below).<br>
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and<br>
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> Links:<br>
[...]<br>
> * <a href="http://beakernotebook.com" target="_blank">http://beakernotebook.com</a> - the Beaker notebook tool, open source<br>
> but not yet packaged for Debian; here is a Presentation on Beaker.<br>
> * <a href="https://jupyter.org/" target="_blank">https://jupyter.org/</a> - Jupyter is another open source notebook tool.<br>
[...]<br>
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Our project is tied to Debian and a Notebook tool: Beaker Notebook seems<br>
the best FLOSS Notebook tool, but if not in Debian¹ in time for the<br>
contest, we may use iPython Notebook instead.<br>
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> I'd not narrow it down to this product or type of visualization<br>
> software.<br>
> A more general "call for challenges" (to sponsors) of what cool stuff<br>
> to do with a cubieboard (or other sponsored hardware) looks more open<br>
> and less of a two sigma thing to me.<br>
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Thanks, that is a valid concern and a (maybe) good suggestion.<br>
<br>
As mentioned at the wiki, we chose this style of competition to mimic an<br>
earlier similar competition => a potential to draw from a previous<br>
experience.<br>
<br>
Also, this competition raises students' attention to their own local<br>
community, something that resonates with me personally - a project about<br>
random "cool stuff" likely wouldn't have me involved.<br>
<br>
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> Other companies could then also post their challenges (FLOSS or even<br>
> Debian based only) and supply (their preferred) hardware in return.<br>
> This way you'd get more diverse exhibits for your Information Art<br>
> Exhibition and can provide the sponsoring opportunity to other<br>
> companies as well.<br>
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Our project involves composing a Debian Pure Blend for highschool data<br>
visualization contests, and shipping sponsored hardware for contestants.<br>
<br>
A project where sponsors would choose the topic of the contest is<br>
totally different.<br>
<br>
A project where sponsors shipped a Debian-ish a system they made for<br>
their devices (e.g. Raspbian) is a totally different project.<br>
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> E.g. Intel could sponsor NUCs or Edisons and people could do great<br>
> stuff with them based on Debian and other FLOSS to fulfill the<br>
> challenge (e.g. to be allowed to keep the hardware and have the chance<br>
> to win a prize). Or HP could sponsor Slates and ask people to make<br>
> them innovative maths class tools.<br>
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Sure, a *different* project could embrace *different* challenges than<br>
the ones we've embraced, like getting Debian kernel to work with Edison<br>
boards, or getting *any* Debian desktop to work with a touch-based<br>
interface like HP Slate.<br>
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...or could just be happy that some vendors wanted to sponsor stuff,<br>
ignoring evental incompatibilities with Debian.<br>
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Sorry, I don't mean to shoot down your ideas, but they seem at best<br>
_parallel_ to our specific project. And concretely they are less<br>
appealing to me personally to get engaged in, so please take into<br>
account you may need to find volunteers to organize the competition if<br>
shifting the scope of it.<br>
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> As this is a sponsoring opportunity, I'd consult with Brian and the<br>
> sponsors team how that could fit into the overall perks available and<br>
> whether it means (e.g.) a minimum amount of hardware sponsored or<br>
> travel sponsored for the three top submissions or a financial<br>
> contribution to the overall budget is in order to participate in this.<br>
<br>
That one seems not for us to comment on.<br>
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Thanks for the critical input,<br>
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- Jonas<br>
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¹ By "in Debian" I mean packaged officially and accepted by ftpmaster<br>
ing Debian at least unstable, from where we will likely backport to<br>
testing or stable for the competition.<br>
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