[Freedombox-discuss] fully-decentralised forums

Melvin Carvalho melvincarvalho at gmail.com
Thu Sep 15 23:38:01 UTC 2011

On 14 September 2011 21:30, ya knygar <knygar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's alive as far as I know. :)
> well, its alive but there isn't enough of life - as for me.
> From what i see as a subscriber to public FSW list,
> currently it is Not active.
> I think - most of initiatives from Brad Kipfer's wiki
> that was mentioned in the first post - doesn't working with/into FSW.
> Maybe it would be slightly better when they would transfer the propositions
> to W3C Community Group discussion systems,
> Maybe..
> For sure - that CA or USA meet up or any Face-to-faces before
> aren't helpful at all - as for me,
> as for any concurrent edition social network i know, including
> XCCC (you might be interested in our
> helping with better algorithms - http://primarypad.com/OeMj2ZnZqo
> contact me please, if you have some questions/wish to help).
> Ok, we are in XCCC - kind of small, who cares that
> we leave on other sides of the planet in W3C CA.
> There was the big and at some point - great Google Wave,
> now it's code in big brave Apache Wave,
> i can't see nothing as propositions from FSW.
> having somewhere the site and somewhere the list
> doesn't help to encourage Federated Social Web
> existence.
> I don't think that - if we need to see FSW now,
> we have needed it yesterday --
> the "Lots of very smart people in that group"
> isn't succeeded or working productively in the
> right direction. Not at all.
> @Melvin Carvalho
> So - what should i do? (i just mean that,
> maybe you could advice :)
> what have i done:
> i'm proposing the
> One place -- W3C FSW group to work into,
> around. We doesn't receive any feedback about
> protocols we propose on it's list. Not a one message,
> than - i increasingly hear - even here, that
> well - who cares of FSW - there are some one-two
> popular networks that work under - as it is standardization org.
>  What should we do in
> such a case? create the better alternative to the "FSW"
> initiative? maybe OWF has these clever people and
> they want to work here for FSW? Foundation with money?
> these aren't rhetorical questions, i really need your advice.
> -
> now a bit of rhetoric:
> You'v seen the "We need..." wiki, you'v seen the rough list of existing
> initiatives..
> as a reply for 'your' 2nd variant
> -- how do you think
> -- to how many of these initiatives FSW proposed/recommended
> to use - at least -
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/WYSIWYM editor
> to help the FSW in that way..?
> -- for how many - the previous W3C SW group - proposed?
> For all this time.
> Semantic conceptions isn't something new, in the end,
> Ok.. another example
> -- for the 1st variant
> -- we have some ActivityStreams something..
> some popular status.net instances, some FB, some MySpace
> kind of supported it.. let's say -- we have some RSS/Atom for many years
> already.. Do you see some FedSocWeb from it's existence? i'm not.
> -
> Do you think OStatus as the mighty all-including specification
> would lead the 'FSW' group to make FSW?
> -
> Don't get me wrong please, i - really like the Semantic Web idea,
> i really, really like the Open Data.
> We are trying hard to implement
> the Semantic-ability in XCCC nets. I think - RDF in JSON
> or just the clever XML
>  -- something like this - could be used into p2p and other crazy-mixed
>  social networking, to help the Semantic, eventually Federated Web.
> What do you think of JSON for semantic BTW(by-the-way)?
> I hope we would manage to combine it all with some clever Identity system,
> so semantic wouldn't mean unsecured or un-private.
> (I have found http://openetherpad.org/fXuqiu8nem
> i think - you - really may help young XCCC that is
> aiming into Boxes and FNF projects -- to make the
> proper decisions! you could just write any opinion
> under the 9. objective on that Primarypad link)
> -
> But, i have a feeling,
>  !just a feeling that - mixing the GUI's with data to transfer
> the data isn't the best way for performance or security.
> Maybe if there would be best DB, like -- ok, we have Camlistore for almost
> everything or Tahoe.. or everything through some ultrafast and cool WebDAV..
> .. i don't have the answers for these, and i don't see that if i am or
> anyone would
> post it to FSW list - there would be insightful reaction. Maybe
> you - Melvin Carvalho - know some answers?
> PS: one and a half more questions to you-
> You have the nice site,
> - how have you filled it with RDF, visual markers?
> i mean - do you know any great framework maybe
> the preferable WYM.. or something planned
> - for this,
> or it is all by hand and meant like it would be ok for
> dedicated users of fbx's , for example?

BTW same concept, but a better UI :)


For example see:


Which I think is a reasonable looking profile page...

> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Melvin Carvalho
> <melvincarvalho at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 14 September 2011 14:11, ya knygar <knygar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> we/you would need to breath the life to the FederatedSocialWeb.net
>>> before we/you would see it, probably ;)
>> It's alive as far as I know. :)
>> Lots of very smart people in that group.  I think they are having a
>> meetup in san francisco.
>> http://doodle.com/fe29nz5mgsk7yuww
>> There's two rough approaches, both have merits IMHO
>> 1. The FSW is slightly more top down, going from the activity streams schema
>> 2. The other is slightly more bottom up, defining arbitrarly keys and
>> values, more of a "NoSQL" style.
>> For example, you can see from my homepage (a relatively normal
>> homepage with some "rel" links)
>> http://melvincarvalho.com/
>> A. Click on the "RDF" view at the top
>> B. Then Click on bblfish
>> C. Then Click on Jonas Smedegaard etc.
>> D. Or click on one of the properties in a page ... eg interests have a
>> whole date layer -- there's 100s of ecosystems iinked together
>> You can get lost in there for ages, but it's already a federated
>> social web existing today across many servers.  (It's going to be
>> awesome when FBX can become part of it)
>> Hopefully both approaches will converge over time!

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