[Freedombox-discuss] FreedomBox and Bitcoin (and the petition)

[Natanael Arndt]

I don't know why BitCoin or Money in general should be somehow
integrated in the FreedomBox project? Furthermore I think BitCoin is no
good concept e.g. because of the huge amount of electricity just burned
to get some virtual money, as the "lottery" comparison says.

But I like the idea of Melvin to have a kind of exchange currency which
is backed by resources (CPU time, Space, ...) which can really help
other people instead of being wasted. There are enough real (not sha1
hashing) problems to be done.

By the whay: that is,what I first thought BitCoin would be when I heard
of it ;-)

Nate

Am 12.11.2012 09:59, schrieb Melvin Carvalho:
> On 12 November 2012 09:32, Daniel Pocock <daniel at pocock.com.au
> <mailto:daniel at pocock.com.au>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     I'm just wondering if anybody has done any analysis of the suitability
>     of Bitcoin for FreedomBox?
>
>
> Bitcoin is quite resource intensive, the block chain is large and
> growing, so to set it up takes time.  On a small plug computer this is
> quite a bit of work and may be tricky (i dont know if you could renice
> it).  Then you need to open a few ports, and also you'll become a
> target for people wanting to steal your wallet.dat (either from the
> web or your own house!).  If those hurdles can be overcome, there
> could be a good match.
>  
>
>
>     For example, Bitcoin provides a certain amount of anonymity, but not
>     complete privacy.  In other words, anybody can create an anonymous
>     Bitcoin account, but anyone else can trace the movements of Bitcoins
>     through that account.  Does this lack of 100% privacy make it awkward
>     for FreedomBox to include Bitcoin?
>
>
> The block chain is public, but you can have a new key for each
> transaction. 
>  
>
>
>     What Bitcoin does excel at is providing an alternative money
>     supply.  In
>     previous eras of bank failure (e.g. over 9,000 US banks went pop
>     in the
>     1930s) people reverted to gold and silver.  Nowadays, so many of
>     us are
>     involved in businesses that rely on ecommerce and distant clients
>     paying
>     for virtual/intangible services.  Most trade relies on electronic
>     payment by bank transfer or credit card, not a physical meeting with
>     cash.  Iceland's banks went pop and it's been speculated that Greek
>     banks will go the same way when they leave the Euro.  It seems like
>     fertile ground for a solution like Bitcoin deployed on a convenient
>     platform like FreedomBox.
>
>
> There's over 200 alternative money supplies and more growing.  One
> possibility is to focus on one of them (bitcoin is probably the poster
> child) another is to stitch many together in exchanges etc.
>  
>
>
>     There is also the diversity of businesses supported by Bitcoin -
>     it can
>     be very difficult for a business to start accepting credit card
>     payments, banks often insist that the business already has capital or
>     real estate.  But any start-up business can accept Bitcoin payment
>     without such discrimination.
>
>
> This is a system that goes back 100s of years to the time of horse and
> cart, it wont be replaced overnight.   There's over 1000 bitcoin
> merchants now and many exchanges.
>
> I think what would be extremely valuable would be a freedombox economy
> where people get credits for helping each other out.  e.g. with
> valuable services such as VPN, storage, encrypted backup, routing ...
> all the stuff that Amazon EC2 offers (which fbx could securely
> replace).  This paradigm works well in, for example, private torrent
> networks. 
>
> Once you can offer value, either for free or as a service, the
> feasibility of a currency becomes more valid.  I'd love to see
> freedombox plans where you get the hardware cheaply and can pay for it
> by offering cloud storage to the community, for example.  Then roll
> out the hardware to a large population, making the network stronger
> and more resilient. 
>  
>
>
>     Back to the original question though: do these potential social
>     benefits
>     outweigh the lack of 100% privacy in Bitcoin?  Is there a `privacy
>     threshold' for something to be included in FreedomBox?
>
>
> Freedombox can have its own currency, there's a few systems such as
> opentransactions that provide anonymity.  Ben Laurie has written a
> paper saying that you can operate a lottery instead of using huge
> amounts of electricity to generate coins. 
>  
>
>
>     Also, somebody has started a petition to ask the ISO to provide a
>     three-letter symbol for Bitcoin (BTC is not officially recognised
>     yet):
>
>
>     http://www.change.org/petitions/six-interbank-clearing-include-a-symbol-for-bitcoin-in-iso-4217
>
>
> ISO is unlikely to bite here.  But why would you want to?  Dont think
> in terms of legacy currencies, just use a URL for currencies and you
> have the freedom of the whole web, without gatekeepers.
>  
>
>
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