[Freedombox-discuss] Why plug servers and not smart phones?

Eugen Leitl eugen at leitl.org
Wed Jul 17 13:37:39 UTC 2013

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 03:24:23PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:

> Then your answer above to your own question makes no sense to me, 
> however: The project we are [both] working on cannot substitute its 
> Debian packages with something self-hosted, and still be "in Debian".

If you prime the depository from a Debian depository master, but 
deliver it a la swarm delivery (using all the online 
Freedomboxes as a content delivery network, internally, and
verify the signatures using the official key), would that
be still Debian?  
> > I seem to detect some unnecessary antagonism in a few of your past 
> > emails.
> That stems from frustration.  Frustration that I felt unable to explain 
> myself to you.  I kept feeling that you where trolling - deliberately 
> sidestep or misinterpret what I wrote.

Sorry, certainly no trolling, just natural obtuseness.
> Really great that we are on the same page.  Sorry for my lousy attitude.

Great, everything's in the green. 
> > I'm not used to the Theo light treatment from the Debian side of 
> > things. That would be a novel experience I'm not sure I'm looking 
> > forward to.
> What do "Theo light treatment" mean?

Theo de Raadt's attitude is legendary in BSD-land. He does mean
well enough, though. I think.
> If anyone were to control "FreedomBox" as a brand, that would be the 
> FreedomBox Foundation, I suspect, not this Debian project.
> I do not speak on behalf of the FreedomBox Foundation and therefore is 
> not talking about "brand damage".  I simply find our varying choice of 
> words/abbreviations confusing, that's all.  Especially when used to 

Sorry, I will try to use Freedombox consistently in future.

> describe things that does not fit my understanding of what it is we are 
> doing together here - e.g. that this Debian project need not use Debian 
> packages.

Obviously a Debian project needs to use Debian packages. The question
is whether you'd be able to distribute Debian packages from a
Debian depository from within a Freedom-box internal delivery network,
making it self-hosting.

I realise that today is too early to talk about self-hosting.

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