[Freedombox-discuss] Google DNS in BIND?

kendrick eastes keastes at gmail.com
Mon Dec 4 08:46:13 UTC 2017


ah, my fault sorry. forgot reply all was the needful.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 1:31 AM, Daddy <daddy at autistici.org> wrote:

> Aaah, for a while, it looked like you are talking to yourself ;) - the
> reply from keastes at gmail.com didn't go to the list (nor did my previous
> reply to your mail..).
>
> I agree that considering the mission statement of the Freedombox:
> *"it provides online communication tools respecting your privacy and data
> ownership. You can use FreedomBox at home to replace services provided by
> third-parties mining your life and using your content."*
>
> usage of the "services" (honeypots) of any big known offenders in this
> area should be considered a bug or at least very-nice-not-to-haves.
>
> prism-break.org has following to say about Google DNS:
>
> "*Google Public DNS permanently logs your ISP and location information
> for analysis. Your ip-address is also stored for 24 hours.*"
> and offers following alternatives:
> nsupdate.info <https://prism-break.org/en/projects/nsupdateinfo/>
> OpenNIC <https://prism-break.org/en/projects/opennic/>
>
> D.
>
> PS: Is prism-break.org considered reputable source in these circles?
>
>
> On 04.12.2017 02:56, Marc Draco wrote:
>
> I already changed mine, that was pretty easy, even for me. :)
>
> I've raised it as a possible issue at GitHub and when I find my glasses
> (!) and the time to delve into that little bit of code, I'll do one of
> those pull request thing-a-ma-bobs. :)
>
> I completely take your point about being beholden to Google (or not)
> though.
>
> While trying to find my spectacles I found out why the parrot was so thin
> - seems I've been feeding a family of mice who had moved in under my couch.
> They must have stashed a nearly 1/2 kilo of sunflower hearts in there.
>
> If anyone wants a slightly-used cat...
>
>
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Google DNS in BIND?
> Local Time: 4 December 2017 1:49 AM
> UTC Time: 4 December 2017 01:49
> From: keastes at gmail.com
> To: Marc Draco <marcdraco at protonmail.com> <marcdraco at protonmail.com>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Marc Draco <marcdraco at protonmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> > why not just set up BIND with root hints? that way the only time it
>> will query google, is
>> > when looking for something on its infrastructure.
>>
>> That's an interesting point  but tn the spirit of FreedomBox, which is to
>> get us all as far away from Google, etc. as possible, I would prefer using
>> a system which exists for the public's good and just giving Google the
>> bird. This one for example:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNIC
>> I guess I'm something of an extremist where Google is concerned after
>> watching it devolve from a pretty cool search engine into a money making
>> steamroller that will stop at nothing (including not playing by the rules)
>> to achieve its goals.
>>
>
>> I see no reason why anything in FreedomBox should rely on anything Google
>> does, serves or is otherwise connected to. If users choose to run on
>> non-free hardware (I am myself right now as a matter of necessity, not
>> choice) that's one thing, but if purity counts, we need to throw Big Data
>> [collection] under the bus everywhere we see it.
>>
>
> communicating with !=relying on, for instance there are a number of
> services that rely on google cloud compute, simply because they are the
> cheapest/only option for their use caseor, it would cost them too much to
> move. It doesn't make them bad, simply vulnerable to google.
>
>>
>> It's a matter of principal for me and I'm sure we won't all agree so I
>> hope that doesn't come over as being contrarian for the sake of it.
>>
>> Certainly as things are seeing Google's DNS pop up hard coded into the
>> basic installation was a bit of a disappointment.
>>
>
> google DNS is one of those ones that tends to "just work" there are other
> DNS providers that work (level3 comes to mind right off the bat.)
>
>> I guess I could raise an Issue over at Github but I'm barely working out
>> how modern C compilers work, never mind source control! :)
>>
>
>  sounds more like a config thing, if you know the service using it, go
> poke in /etc/ for its setting file, change to DNS of your choice, and
> restart the service. no its not the most beginner friendly thing, but
> understanding how the system works is almost never a bad thing.
>
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