[Pkg-alsa-devel] alsa-lib 1.0.19 uploaded

[Jordi Mallach]

Hi,

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 09:40:40PM +0100, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
> > What's going on here that dh_installmenus isn't doing its job?
> $ grep -A 5 calls-updatemenus /usr/share/lintian/checks/menus.desc

Still I dont' understand. Is dh_installmenus generating scripts that
lintian doesn't like? I'm just trying to make sure we don't duplicate
anything because there's some error in debian/rules somewhere. I
can't see anything strange though.

> > alsa-driver:
> > 
> >   * modprobe-post-install support removed. (closes: #518242)
> >     - Added udev to Depends of alsa-base
> 
> See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=518242

Yeah, but also:

alsa-driver (1.0.15-1) unstable; urgency=low

  [ Elimar Riesebieter ]
  * Removed udev from linux-sound-base Depends: (closes: #446953)

I'm not challenging the change, and in favour of keeping it, actually
but it made me wonder. Forget about this one.

> > alsa-utils:
> > 
> >   * Get rid of asoundconf. (closes: #505089, #433134)
> >     - Remove python dependencies (closes: #508563)
> > 
> > Why? How does this close 505089? #433134 can be fixed if we just sync a
> > bit with Ubuntu. Honestly, I'd love to get more help from them, but I'll
> > look into doing this myself tomorrow.
> 
> I don't care what Ubuntu packagers are doing. From my point of
> view there is no cooperation and what I noticed is: asoundconf is
> totally buggy. If you have python skills fix it. The exmark at card
> definition has to be removed. Especially I asked Martin Pitt to
> help. But no response, though.

Yes, I've tried to bring Ubuntu people here to have them actively
develop their stuff in our tree, so we basically have mostly the
same packages, but it has never happened. Their patch has changes
to asoundconf we have never heard about.

Unless anyone wants to take care of asoundconf in Debian, I might
just accept that we can't maintain it and leave your change as it is,
but bugs aside, which can be fixed and might actually be fixed already
in their tree, I guess asoundconf can be useful for some people, or
else it wouldn't have been written.

> asoundconf doesn't detect the digital cards like the aoa ones of
> PPC. And, by all my respect, how do you think UBUNTU can contribute
> on all the 11 (12) Debian platform ports?

Right. If cards not present in non Ubuntu arches are not being handled
by asoundconf, we could just install it, if it gets maintained, in
the packages for certain architectures, although I guess the AOA
bug might be easily fixable by them.

> Last: I don't see a reason to use asoundconf. Users can read
> /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README.Debian.gz to learn on how to
> configure multiple cards. Yes, this docu has to be optimized ;)

If Debian doesn't use it at all (can anyone on the list comment on
this? I certainly don't use it, but if it's useful, I'd try to keep
it IFF someone takes care of keeping it in a working state.

> Jordi, I get tired to work on alsa packages. I do most of the bug
> management. There is no cooperation from the, sorry, so called
> "developer group". Where are they? It is just frustating me to do a
> big, maybe a good job and get no feedback... Prepared packages are
> waiting 3 or more weeks for uploading and else. So what? I love
> Debian and OSS but I am not a slave.

Well, I don't understand this last paragraph. If packages wait for weeks
is because I'm totally buried under work and personal matters and at
times can't do much better. However, I do suffer when I know I asked for
an update and then I'm not able to look at it, because I know it's not
fair to you. However, I haven't called you a slave, and honestly didn't
like that comment very much. I also do this on my very scarce free time,
and try to do my best reviewing your very welcome changes and work, but
asking three questions about a few things that I think that might be good
to discuss shouldn't be an offence.

If you're in doubt, I appreciate your work a lot and know you are also
tight on time to take care of it. Whenever you stop doing it, it'll
probably mean the end of the current packaging team and someone else
will have to pick up the packages, as I can't do more than I do already,
which is little, and wouldn't be able to maintain this without your
help.

In any case, I'll try to upload the packages today and tomorrow.

alsa-plugins might be embargoed by the release team as it might affect the
ffmpeg transition.

Jordi
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