[Pkg-e-devel] pkg-e, enlightenment (e16) future.

[Niv Sardi]

On Nov 12, 2007 6:02 PM, Laurence J. Lane <ljlane at debian.org> wrote:
> > as we discussed it a few month ago, I am quite concerned about the
> > fact that debian doesn't ship e16.8, and that I'd really like to
> > see e16 integrated in pkg-e.
>
> I don't quite know or recall what pkg-e is. And I've spoken to
> various people on IRC, but I don't recall who. Is that the channel
> folks keep inviting me to? I'm terribly selective about where I IRC
> and I'm not likely to join.

#pkg-e at irc.freenode.net, it's where most of the work/discussion is on.

> > E16.8 adds a lot of improvement to the version in debian, maybe
> > most noticable is the composite manager, but speed has been
> > enhanced, as well as lot of bug fixes.
>
> > Your last upload of enlightenment was more than a year ago,
> > and there are heaps of bugs in the BTS (30ish) are you still
> > interested in it's packaging ?
>
> I'm certain that I would have orphaned if I were not interested    .
> I never had interest in e17 though.

so I supose you have some plans like you told me to do an upload ?

> > Upstream also changed e's name to e16 (replacing enlightenment)
> > and we would like to push that change to debian too, witch will
> > avoid confusions with e17 when it kicks in (RSN).
>
> I'm pretty sure I've said that I would like enlightenment package
> moved to a team effort. (Eterm, imlib2, and scrot too, for that
> matter.) I would like to step away from them all for a bit,
> actually, if others could step up.

well pkg-e seems the right place then.

> > I would love to move maintainance to pkg-e (where you are most
> > welcomed), and have prepared packages for e16.8 that you can get at:
> > http://cxhome.ath.cx/~xaiki/debian/pkg-e/e16/
>
> From a quick installation and run, I see a number of glaring errors.
>
> 1. Do away with the epoch, the 1: in front of the version number. It's only
> there for enlightenment because I messed up the version number on one
> upload.

fixed, my bad.

> 2. Do away with the data package.  Years ago when enlightenment had
> many large themes included, I split them all out. Among other things
> it saved space on user's hard drives and eliminated archive bloat--same
> huge files duplicated across 11 or more archs. That lead to lots of
> headaches and bug reports, so I moved the default theme back in and all
> was well. Now e16 only has one small theme. The data package is not
> necessary and could easily be detrimental.

that's discutable, but you're probably right.

> 3. Your menu setup is broken with respect to the "debian" menus.

> There are probably other things. The package I've been using can
> be found at http://people.debian.org/~ljlane/stuff/. Compare that to
> yours.

your package's menu didn't run because of a typo, once fixed it only
had a 'Debian Menu', anyway the menu policy changed, as you can see
gnome got away with it.

> > If you have any coments on those packages please reply to the list,
> > and unless you express strong oposition, I'll upload them to unstable
> > in a week time.
>
> Honestly, they are far, far from polished. They appear to be rushed
> and more several steps backwards than any sort of improvement. This
> could be from lack of experience or a rush job. I really don't know.
> And, of course I object with the state the package is in.

they are like packages built before discussing with you, now I'll
polish them more, and upload when they meet debian's quality
standards.

cheers,
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Niv Sardi