[Pkg-javascript-devel] Concerns about infrastructure for Alioth replacement

[Ondřej Surý]

Also please note that Ruby programs are usually very picky about particular
versions of their dependencies.

I call it a "gem hell" and it was a reason why I gave up helping with Ruby
packaging and switched to redmine from source and bundler. Same for gitlab.
I believe the time can be spent more productively than tackling with
upstream with totally different world views.

Ondřej

On Wed, 18 Oct 2017, 08.14 Alexander Wirt, <formorer at formorer.de> wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Oct 2017, Nicholas D Steeves wrote:
>
> > CCing the Javascript Team.
> >
> > Original post on debian-devel, see:
> > Message-Id: <20171016001558.a9c2e92f9155e844f43ceb30 at paranoici.org>
> >
> > Or alternatively:
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/10/msg00262.html
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 11:32:55PM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2017, Francesco Poli wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 04:28:09 +0000 Ondřej Surý wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > > > Francesco, great idea, go ahead. You would be most welcome to help
> with
> > > > > Debian Ruby Extra packaging.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, I have basically zero knowledge about Rails,
> JavaScript
> > > > and Node.js: I could not be of much help in packaging GitLab.
> > > >
> > > > What I meant was that the time that will be spent in manually
> installing,
> > > > manually adapting, and manually upgrading the upstream version, would
> > > > perhaps be better spent in helping the maintainers to keep the Debian
> > > > package up-to-date and in using the Debian package in stead of the
> upstream
> > > > version...
> > > Nope. I know how to setup gitlab, I don't - and I don't want to have
> > > knowledge (and I don't have time to do it) to maintain numerous ruby
> and
> > > nodejs modules.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> >
> > On 16 October 2017 at 06:52, Pirate Praveen <praveen at onenetbeyond.org>
> wrote:
> > > On 10/16/2017 03:45 AM, Francesco Poli wrote:
> > >> I would say that this issue with the Debian packages of GitLab should
> > >> be addressed by helping the Debian Ruby Extras Maintainers to improve
> > >> the Debian packages and to keep them more up-to-date.
> > >
> > > gitlab 9.x has switched to using node modules + webpack for front end.
> > > So any help in packaging the node dependencies welcome.
> > >
> > > See https://wiki.debian.org/Javascript/Nodejs/Tasks/gitlab for the
> > > current status.
> > >
> > > Btw all ruby dependencies for 9.5.x are packaged already.
> > >
> >
> > Dear Javascript Team,
> >
> > Would you please consider maintaining the "numerous [...] nodejs
> > modules" necessary for Debian's Alioth replacement to run on a
> > Debian-built GitLab package?  We are facing a scenario that confirms
> > that Debian packaging is not good enough--even for Debian's own
> > infrastructure.
> >
> > I would join the team, but it would take me weeks/months to learn
> > about Javascript and Nodejs, and it seems this transition is imminent.
> >
> > In the worst-case scenario, if that work cannot be completed on time,
> > a deadline should be set for transitioning to official Debian-built
> > packages.  Let's say well before DebConf18 so that it will be well
> > tested for DebCamp.
> >
> > Please reply to debian-devel and CC Francesco Poli <
> invernomuto at paranoici.org>
> Please don't get me wrong, but even if gitlab packages are recent tomorrow
> (which I
> don't think) we won't migrate. The work is done and we have all the things
> in
> place to maintain them. So please do me a favour and don't mention alioth
> as
> the reason.
>
> Alex
>
> --
Ondřej Surý <ondrej at sury.org>
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