meta-kde4 and meta-kde

George Kiagiadakis at
Sat Apr 11 09:19:14 UTC 2009

2009/4/9 Sune Vuorela <Sune at>:
> On Wednesday 08 April 2009 20:31:04 Rainer Kluge wrote:
>> Ana Guerrero schrieb:
>> > - kde-minimal (just rename current kde4-mininal) I am not sure kde-core
>> > longer fits.
>> > - kde-full (renamed from current kde4) I agree it is clearer than kde.
>> The real question is about the need of the kde/kde4/kde-full package with
>> all this game stuff and dependencies to almost all debian packages. Why not
>> suppress it and rename kde4-minimal to kde?
> Exactly because of this debate.
> What should be KDE?
> The thing that upstream ships as KDE?
> The thing that Developer A and Developer B has agreed upon?
> The thing that Developer C and Developer D has agreed upon?
> Whan when users wants more?
> If I was to define what should be installed, I would add:
> kdebase-workspace (for the desktop
> kdebase (for dolphin, konqueror and such)
> kdepim (or at least most of it: kontact, kmail, korga, kaddressbook, akregator
> and kjots)
> kdeplasma-addons
> A few games (maybe kpat and kmines or so)
> parts of kdenetwork (at least kopete)
> parts of kdemultimedia (at least juk as media player and kmix and something
> for playing cd's)
> At least ark, maybe other parts of kdeutils
> kdegraphics
> Maybe a bit more.

That was exactly the idea of the "kde-standard" metapackage that me
and Modax were discussing in irc: Make kde-standard install a subset
of kde-full that contains what most people use from kde packages, but
not 3rd-party kde apps. So, we would have:

kde-minimal: depends on all of kdebase, kdelibs, kdepimlibs.
kde-standard: depends on the most used kde packages (like those
mentioned above by Sune), including kde-minimal
kde-full: depends on what upstream ships as kde.

In the future we could have kde-3rdparty (or kde-extras?), as Ana
suggested, that installs a set of 3rdparty kde apps like amarok,
ktorrent, etc.... but I think this is not for now.


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