Fwd: Re: Enabling accessibility stack by default in Qt4/Qt5

[Sune Vuorela]

Hi peoples

I'm told that the following spell should enable stuff some stuff for users:

kwriteconfig5 --file kaccessrc --group ScreenReader --key Enabled 'false'

I don't know where it makes sense to hook it in though.

Thanks to Jeremy Whiting.

/Sune

On Tuesday 01 September 2015 18:55:01 Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer 
wrote:
> I'm resending the mail to the proper Qt/KDE list.
> 
> 
> ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
> 
> Subject: Re: Enabling accessibility stack by default in Qt4/Qt5
> Date: Tuesday 01 September 2015, 18:50:43
> From: Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer <perezmeyer at gmail.com>
> To: debian-qt-kde at lists.debian.org
> CC: Samuel Thibault <sthibault at debian.org>, debian-
> accessibility at lists.debian.org
> 
> On Tuesday 01 September 2015 01:39:51 Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > As discussed at DebConf [1,2,3], we would like to make the accessibility
> > stack enabled by default, so that all a user who needs it has to do is
> > just to start orca (while at the moment she has to find an option in
> > the control panel, and logout/login again, thus closing all running
> > applications...).
> > 
> > For Qt4, this is implemented in the qt-at-spi package, which has been
> > developped mostly between 2009 and 2013.  There doesn't seem to be much
> > activity there since early 2013.
> 
> Kind of. See the last part of the first message in:
> 
> <https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-47653?focusedCommentId=288544&page=co
> m.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-28854
> 4>
> 
> And the following comments. I'll try to get at it as soon as possible, but
> not before the gcc5 transition ends.
> 
> > For Qt5, this is implemented directly in the Qt core, and seems to be
> > actively maintained and improved.
> 
> Right.
> 
> > So it seems safer to enable accessibility in Qt5 than in Qt4, but for
> > now it seems to me that most Debian applications are still using Qt4,
> > so people will mostly need Qt4 accessibility.
> 
> Well, that's changing. And will change a lot after the gcc5 transition.
> We are retiring qt4's webkit in Stretch, and will do our best to try to get
> most apps ported to Qt5 (ideally killing Qt4 in the process).
> 
> > Considering that we
> > are just at the beginning of the Stretch development, perhaps we can
> > try to enable accessibility by default in both Qt4 and Qt5, see how
> > well this goes, and at worse not enable it by default for Qt4 if the
> > possibly-revealed bugs become really not solvable?
> 
> I like the idea, but ~1 month after the gcc5 transition ends. We are also
> pushing KDE+Qt5 to the archive and have quite some problems with the
> transition, so it would be better to let the transition "dust" settle down
> before adding yet more sources of bugs. After that we should definitely give
> it a try IMO.
> 
> > The way I see it is simply by making the at-spi2-core package define
> > QT_ACCESSIBILITY (for Qt4) and QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON (for
> > Qt5) to 1 from a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d.
> > 
> > Is it OK with Qt people?
> 
> Sounds like a good starting point. I see that /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90qt-a11y
> is provided by at-spi2-core. I think the a11y stuff in Qt5 is provided by
> libqt5core5, please feel free to file a wishlist bug to have a similar
> script provided by it.
> 
> Now we should also consider Wayland and even pure console. Qt5 has been
> improving in this side (yes, it can draw a GUI without X and without the
> need to recompile anything). I don't know if a11y is present in those
> cases, but if it is it would also be good to check them.
> 
> Kinds regards, Lisandro.

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