Fwd: Re: Enabling accessibility stack by default in Qt4/Qt5

[Jeremy Whiting]

s/false/true/ I copy/pasted the wrong line, sorry. That just turns on
the screen reader.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 6:49 AM, Sune Vuorela <sune at vuorela.dk> wrote:
> Hi peoples
>
> I'm told that the following spell should enable stuff some stuff for users:
>
> kwriteconfig5 --file kaccessrc --group ScreenReader --key Enabled 'false'
>
> I don't know where it makes sense to hook it in though.
>
> Thanks to Jeremy Whiting.
>
> /Sune
>
> On Tuesday 01 September 2015 18:55:01 Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
> wrote:
>> I'm resending the mail to the proper Qt/KDE list.
>>
>>
>> ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>>
>> Subject: Re: Enabling accessibility stack by default in Qt4/Qt5
>> Date: Tuesday 01 September 2015, 18:50:43
>> From: Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer <perezmeyer at gmail.com>
>> To: debian-qt-kde at lists.debian.org
>> CC: Samuel Thibault <sthibault at debian.org>, debian-
>> accessibility at lists.debian.org
>>
>> On Tuesday 01 September 2015 01:39:51 Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > As discussed at DebConf [1,2,3], we would like to make the accessibility
>> > stack enabled by default, so that all a user who needs it has to do is
>> > just to start orca (while at the moment she has to find an option in
>> > the control panel, and logout/login again, thus closing all running
>> > applications...).
>> >
>> > For Qt4, this is implemented in the qt-at-spi package, which has been
>> > developped mostly between 2009 and 2013.  There doesn't seem to be much
>> > activity there since early 2013.
>>
>> Kind of. See the last part of the first message in:
>>
>> <https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-47653?focusedCommentId=288544&page=co
>> m.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-28854
>> 4>
>>
>> And the following comments. I'll try to get at it as soon as possible, but
>> not before the gcc5 transition ends.
>>
>> > For Qt5, this is implemented directly in the Qt core, and seems to be
>> > actively maintained and improved.
>>
>> Right.
>>
>> > So it seems safer to enable accessibility in Qt5 than in Qt4, but for
>> > now it seems to me that most Debian applications are still using Qt4,
>> > so people will mostly need Qt4 accessibility.
>>
>> Well, that's changing. And will change a lot after the gcc5 transition.
>> We are retiring qt4's webkit in Stretch, and will do our best to try to get
>> most apps ported to Qt5 (ideally killing Qt4 in the process).
>>
>> > Considering that we
>> > are just at the beginning of the Stretch development, perhaps we can
>> > try to enable accessibility by default in both Qt4 and Qt5, see how
>> > well this goes, and at worse not enable it by default for Qt4 if the
>> > possibly-revealed bugs become really not solvable?
>>
>> I like the idea, but ~1 month after the gcc5 transition ends. We are also
>> pushing KDE+Qt5 to the archive and have quite some problems with the
>> transition, so it would be better to let the transition "dust" settle down
>> before adding yet more sources of bugs. After that we should definitely give
>> it a try IMO.
>>
>> > The way I see it is simply by making the at-spi2-core package define
>> > QT_ACCESSIBILITY (for Qt4) and QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON (for
>> > Qt5) to 1 from a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d.
>> >
>> > Is it OK with Qt people?
>>
>> Sounds like a good starting point. I see that /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90qt-a11y
>> is provided by at-spi2-core. I think the a11y stuff in Qt5 is provided by
>> libqt5core5, please feel free to file a wishlist bug to have a similar
>> script provided by it.
>>
>> Now we should also consider Wayland and even pure console. Qt5 has been
>> improving in this side (yes, it can draw a GUI without X and without the
>> need to recompile anything). I don't know if a11y is present in those
>> cases, but if it is it would also be good to check them.
>>
>> Kinds regards, Lisandro.
>
> --
> I didn’t stop pretending when I became an adult, it’s just that when I was a
> kid I was pretending that I fit into the rules and structures of this world.
> And now that I’m an adult, I pretend that those rules and structures exist.
>    - zefrank
>
> --
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-talk