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[Pino Toscano]

In data mercoledì 19 agosto 2020 08:15:42 CEST, Norbert Preining ha scritto:
> > the will to package things considering the demotivating attitude of
> > certain external packagers and users.
> 
> I guess you are referring to me, because there aren't any other
> "external packagers" afais.

You are not the only one.

> You have a very interesting interpretation of "demotivating",
> considering that it was me who was told that:
> - your work is not up to the standards of a DD

This is slightly twisting what Sandro said.

> - all the 300+ MR will be straight away closed

Sandro was talking about the MR for *frameworks* only, not for
everything else.

> This is something that **I** consider demotivating, considering the
> non-trivial amount of work I have put into it.

Like I find demotivating the snapping and bad-mouthing on your blog,
simply because Scarlett pushed work on few repositories without
noticing your MRs. I personally don't find it a constructive way of
"cooperating": people can make mistakes (and many were done in the
past), and being intolerant and impatient like you did is not something
I'm personally interested in.

Like I find demotivating doing publicity stunts on your blog way
earlier than even contacting the team. Or also speculating over and
over (even before you tried to contact the team) why certain things
were like they were, using a negative or not positive tone implied.

Like I find demotivating that you considered the insults you got from
one person (which I find a stupid thing as well) as the whole team
opinion on you.

Like I find demotivating that you keep misusing "formalities" as a way
to negatively describe part of the work we do, as if we liked to add
more work on ourselves just for the fun of it.
- outdated packaging bits are a problem, not a formality, and it took
  (and still takes) a bit to clean things, make them up to newer
  standards so it is easier to work on them
- the NEW queue is a formality that you don't need when using an own
  external repository
- tracking ABI changes takes time, especially because you have to
  support proper upgrades from older Debian; again, nothing needed in
  an own external repository
- bumping to a new version of, say, release-service without
  checking/updating build dependencies is something doable in an own
  repository with the KF released the day before; it is not something
  doable in the Debian archive with a KF lagging 3 months (yay for
  strict requirements...)
and I can go on with things that you can avoid/skip when packaging
things in an own repository rather than the Debian archive.

> Well, and then I offered help, also in private to Scarlett, without ever
> having received an answer.

From what I see in an answer in -kde@, she acknowledged that and
apologized.

> Feel free to continue to ignore me, but don't start calling out unbased
> insults.

Oh, at least something on which we both agree.

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Pino Toscano
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