Bug#735424: nvidia-driver: New vesa test

Karsten Malcher debian at dct.mine.nu
Wed Jan 22 10:34:54 UTC 2014

Hi Diederik,

Am 22.01.2014 11:15, schrieb Diederik de Haas:
> Hi Karsten,
> On Wednesday 22 January 2014 10:47:48 Karsten Malcher wrote:
>> Now i deinstalled all Debian NVidia packages in this installation and
>> installed the actual NVIdia driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.38.run
> I understand your eagerness to fix this asap, but I'm not going to interfere
> with Andreas bug-triage efforts.

Of course i understand this.

But from my point of view i never could made an upgrade in Debian without problems.
I always where using Nvidia cards.
Before wheezy i never got an running X without original NVidia drivers.
In wheezy the first time the Nvidia Debian package was running for me.
It seems it was the last time. :-(

Any update of the kernel will cause the loose of X.

> But I can say this:
> - When trying to find a problem, only change 1 variable at a time, otherwise
> you don't know which change caused a change in behaviour.

i only made an "simple" system upgrade from wheezy to jessie.

> - Don't use NVidia's .run file if you're reporting an issue on a Debian
> package, since they're not meant to be co-installed (and Debian's package
> cleans thing up from a possible previous .run installation).

That's why i made this test in a different installation.
It was a simple test if kernel 3.12.6 and the NVidia driver will work together.

> - Use the same system/installation on all bug-triage efforts, otherwise you're
> comparing completely different systems (btw 3.12 kernel on wheezy and not from
> backports?)

Somehow it must be possible to have a working PC. ;-)
In this case i hold back the upgraded installation for this bug.
There is no additional mix up.

> I've been running Debian's NVidia packages for years, without any issue,
> including on my freshly installed system I'm running now.

That's the main problem.
On a fresh installation you don't have this problems.
In most of the cases this will work.

But what's about of the hundreds of personal configurations for mail, programming, viewing and working?
You will loose them with a new installation and need to much time to get them back.

In my case i have a "master installation" with the individual settings for 3 users!
This installation will be cloned to all working PC's.
When i want to upgrade to a newer distribution it must be an upgrade or it will kill me.

I think this problems are not my personal problems and touch many users.
So upgrade problems should also be in a distribution focus.


> HTH,
>    Diederik

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: 	Re: Bug#735424: nvidia-driver: New vesa test
Datum: 	Wed, 22 Jan 2014 10:47:48 +0100
Von: 	Karsten Malcher <debian at dct.mine.nu>
Antwort an: 	debian at dct.mine.nu
An: 	Diederik de Haas <didi.debian at cknow.org>
Kopie (CC): 	pkg-nvidia-devel at lists.alioth.debian.org

Hello Diederik,

that's really interesting.
So it must be a configuration problem of previous installations?
Do you have made a fresh installation or an upgrade?

I have made now an additional test:
On a third partition i have a copy of my wheezy installation.
In this installation i have an self compiled kernel V 3.12.6 for some driver tests with a newer kernel.

Up to now i booted there using the neauveau driver with this configuration:
Section "Device"
         Identifier      "n"
         Driver          "nv"

Now i deinstalled all Debian NVidia packages in this installation and installed the actual NVIdia driver

I did have some problems with compilation of the driver, although i installed the kernel with a debian building script.
ii  linux-image-3.12.6 3.12.6                             amd64        Linux kernel binary image for version 3.12.6
ii  linux-image-3.2.0-3-amd64 3.2.23-1                           amd64        Linux 3.2 for 64-bit PCs

But the driver could be installed an is running fine!

So something with the configuration or the debian package of 319.82 is not correct.
The newer driver 331.38 is running on the same installation as the upgraded one in this bug.


> Andreas,
> I have the same graphics card (GT 430), the same driver version and (almost)
> the same kernel (Linux bagend 3.12-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.8-1 (2014-01-19)
> x86_64 GNU/Linux) and everything is running fine here.
> So if you want me to check/test things so 'notes' can be compared, just let me
> know (I'm subsribed to the pkg-nvidia-devel ML).
> Cheers,
>    Diederik

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