[Pkg-owncloud-maintainers] Upstream making our life more and more painful

[Diederik de Haas]

On Saturday 27 February 2016 15:01:57 David Prévot wrote:
> They are becoming more and more vocal about so called issues, would that
> be in their mailing lists, in their own personal blog posts, in their
> bug tracker… The ambiance becomes more and more unbearable.

Indeed. And instead of them trying to improve the situation, it looks like 
they're becoming more actively hostile and vocal about it.

> Not sure it would be a service to our users (especially given the
> packaging quality they propose), but not sure I can face this recurrent
> amount of name calling alone either.

I want to help if that would help. I've mostly stayed silent because I 
gathered it wouldn't improve the situation if I were to speak out.
Let me know if and how I can help, and I will do it.

> Despite the fair amount of time I’ve given in the ownCloud packaging in
> the last few months (or years), and having something almost ready for
> 9.0.0, I’m not sure what will be the next step, but if upstream is
> hostile to our work, I’m afraid their will be nothing for us left to keep…
> 
> Fedora packagers already slammed the door a few months ago, not sure we
> can do better…

I have a huge amount of respect of the work that you (and hefee) have done on 
packaging owncloud. I've now started to take my first (baby) steps regarding 
maintaining packages and it's very likely that I'll use your work as an 
example on how to do things myself.
 That, and the huge respect I have for Debian as a whole is the reason I'm 
learning about and setting up my machines to best assist you in that, 
including a way to upgrade from the current stable to the next. That also 
includes the willingness to write a special program which could do that.

Having said that, I have no trust in upstream owncloud code and haven't for a 
long time. I don't know how many times I've lost data while testing owncloud, 
but it is a LOT. And ALL those issues were simple to replicate with a pure 
upstream owncloud system, as I had a VM for that as well.

Given the hostility of owncloud to any downstream project/distro and that 
their stance seems to be getting worse instead of (intention for getting) 
better over time, I'm afraid that abandoning owncloud becomes unavoidable.

Regards,
  Diederik
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