[Pkg-owncloud-maintainers] I am using distro packages and I tell you why

Martin Steigerwald martin at lichtvoll.de
Tue Jan 5 10:25:42 UTC 2016

Am Dienstag, 5. Januar 2016, 09:23:22 CET schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
> > So like it or not, but I as a Owncloud user still get to decide whether I
> > use  your recommendation, or just dismiss it. At least the Debian
> > packagers do not seem to be that vocal on their blogs about upstream
> > decisions they dislike.
> I didn't mean to change your mind - I hoped to warn ownCloud users in
> general and perhaps kick off some thinking at distro's to avoid them
> becoming, well, the thing to run a container on.
> Of course, you have to consider that, like me, a bad scenario. And a likely
> one. Perhaps you don't care, or don't think it will happen. In that case,
> ignore me.

Okay, for now, I think it is not of much use to discuss the details here.

I do think there we have a fundamental common ground in viewpoint that the 
current situation can be improved upon, lots, yet there is also a fundamental 

I do not believe in thinks happening and all I can do is to react to it. I do 
believe in creating things they way I like it. Or if not creating myself, 
choosing the creation of others I like to use and support.

Docker, containers, or the next hype: How often did IT industry change between 
a kind of central computing in main frames or recently clouds, to distributed 
computing in lots of different PCs – with possibly HP´s The Machine and other 
similar approaches changing the paradigm again  in some time – in its history 
so far? How often many people thought that this is the final end in itself?

However I am not into predicting the future. Yet, I am into shaping it. If I 
assess what path I want to choose here, for me its a path that utilizes a 
central source for all stuff I install onto my server. I will see how far 
along I get with it. So far I got away with it quite okayish and I have been 
pleased with the work Debian´s owncloud packaging team.

If I only went with trends in my life, I wouldn´t have chosen a vegan life 
style – 20 years ago.

I still hope that at some time Owncloud upstream and distro packagers can work 
more closely together again – maybe there is a common ground between using 
distro infrastructure and using Github, Open Build Service and other key 
points where goals and needs differ. But I am also wise enough that I can only 
choose my actions and how I create my world. Not decide what others shall do. 
Creating always starts within myself.

Thank you,

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