Bug#845480: /bin/ps depends on /usr/lib/... which makes the system unbootable

[Klaus Ethgen]

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Hi Martin,

Am Di den 29. Nov 2016 um 22:36 schrieb Martin Pitt:
> Cristian Ionescu-Idbohrn [2016-11-29 22:16 +0100]:
> > Eversince systemd came about into debian, you've shown direct or
> > indirect disrespect, IMO, to people objecting against screwing up
> > their systems, where they want to keep sysv instead of adopting
> > systemd world domination.
> 
> The root issue here is not about the init system, but how initramfses
> and separate partitions play together. Separate /usr without an initrd
> has always been slightly broken,

No, it worked well for decades and it was exactly why you have small
root and resizable /usr on other medias.

It start getting broken when systemd start taking over the world.

> So, the set of what can be supported is certainly debatable, but as
> history has shown it neither makes sense to support this use case nor
> did anyone manage to actually do it. Hence the "wontfix".

As history shows, that is common use case and makes fully sense.

> Also, *if* you want to make this about systemd vs. SysV again:

Well, systemd, or better the religiosity, systemd is spread, is part of
this particular problem. Exactly that is the case, why so many users
oppose systemd.

However, this should be fight somewhere else. Here we have a real
problem, that is easily fixable. Look at devuan or debian jessie. Just
do not link against libsystemd what pulls in too many uncontrollable
dependencies.

> Pleeease step up and maintain SysV init. For all those vocal people
> who lobbied for it there has been remarkably little action to show for
> it (read: zero):
> 
>   https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/sysvinit.git/log/

Well, why should it have too many changes? It works great. And it is
that well-hung that there is simply not to much to change.

But yes, there could be some bug mitigation. I just wounder, how
frustrated the sysvinit people are about the stuff, systemd people
break everyday.

I snip out the rest as, even if it is fully true and describe the
problem well, it is not about this particular bug.

Regards
   Klaus
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