[sane-devel] SANE2, time for a decision

[Skorous]

I think he meant that a small group of invested and motivated people
would be able to make a lot faster progress rather than having to put
every idea to a vote rather than saying that most people aren't
qualified to participate. A republic vs. a democracy vs. benevolent
dictatorship if you will.... ;-)

On 1/6/07, m. allan noah <anoah at pfeiffer.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Oliver Rauch wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > The SANE2 standard is not finished, so it does not make sens to start coding
> > SANE2. It would be a big mistake to start coding SANE2 at this point because
> > the standard is not finished and will change.
>
> [snip]
>
> > I spent a lot of time in the SANE2 standard proposal. It took me a lot of
> > energie and time to work out this proposal, but the following infinite and
> > partly useless discussion about SANE2 (some years ago) made me stop my work
> > on it.
>
> your insistence on having a completed standard prior to coding is exactly
> what created your desire to stop. you gave those who disagreed with you
> the power to halt your development. i was not involved with sane 5 years
> ago when most of the discussions took place, but i daresay that if i had
> arrived on the scene and found that you personally had already started
> coding sane2 with modest consensus and a history of being flexible, i
> would have helped you.
>
> instead, we find ourselves staring at a standard that is outdated
> regarding many of the new ideas that have come along in the last 4 years,
> and any time someone tries to start up a discussion, they get told to hold
> their horses cause the standard is not done?
>
> in the absense of a strong leader to direct things (no torvalds here), i
> am willing to bet that we need some running code BEFORE the rough
> consensus :)
>
> > The standard is not ready for coding, but we can finish it shortly, the major
> > part is done. But it is only possible when we create a little group (3-5
> > backend and frontend programmers) that discuss and improve the standard
> > proposal NON PUBLIC - or we will get the infinite discussion again.
>
> that is the most insulting suggestion that i have heard lately. only some
> people on this list are qualified for the continuing discussion of sane2?
> that the public only gets 1-2 weeks to comment?
>
> i am not nearly as good a programmer as you guys, but even i can see some
> need for changes to the standard draft. the fact that prior discussions
> got 'heated' (i dont know, i have not read them all) does not mean they
> will again. that is, as long as the folks who put time into the current
> draft are not afraid to see it change...
>
> allan
>
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