[sane-devel] [janitorial] Relocating the SANE Project

Jörn-Ingo Weigert jiweigert at gmail.com
Fri Jan 26 16:56:01 UTC 2018

It's ok with me, having a well known and used interface for pull/merge
requests and on top support for mobile in either web and app form, I do
really appreciate. So let's go to girls.com! *Backpack shouldered*

Am 26.01.2018 9:59 vorm. schrieb "Olaf Meeuwissen" <
paddy-hack at member.fsf.org>:

> Dear all,
> TL;DR :: Let's move to GitLab.com!  Mailing list TBD.
> # Apologies for the belated follow-up.  I planned to wait a week or so
> # to let the dust settle before following up but then Real Life got in
> # the way :-(
> Now for the long story,
> On 2018-01-08, Olaf Meeuwissen (that's me!) wrote:
> > [ ... Alioth will be discontinued sometime in 2018-05 ... so]
> > the SANE Project will no longer be able to:
> >
> >  - communicate via the mailing lists
> >  - push commits to its official git repositories
> >  - update the bug and feature requests trackers
> >  - update its website
> >
> > So we have to move some place else for our project hosting but where?
> I made a couple of suggestions and asked for feedback.  Apart from one
> off-list request to join the SANE project on GitLab.com, not one of the
> SANE developers has chimed in.  I will take that to mean that everyone
> will be fine with whatever gets chosen in the end.  Speak up if that's
> not the case!
> The non-developers that did follow up mentioned[1] Sourceforge as a
> possibility (and questioned[2] whether that was serious), offered help
> with moving the mailing list to Debian infra-structure[1] (thanks,
> btw!) and a preference for GitHub[3][4].
> There was also a fairly detailed account[5] of the pros and cons of
> GitLab vs. GitHub as well as an offer to host mailing lists[6].
> Finally, there was a hint on how to get release notifications from
> GitHub using an RSS feed[7].
> There was the notion that GitLab/GitHub issues and merge/pull requests
> could meaningfully replace a large part of the mailing lists[3][5], yet
> having mailing lists (archives) around would be nice.  Several people
> also pointed out that moving[4][5] and/or mirroring[3] git repositories
> elsewhere would be easy and that GitHub Pages have their "quirks"[5].
> Finally, the fact that GitLab.com supports logging in via GitHub,
> Google, Twitter and BitBucket accounts was pointed out as a pro[5].
> Neither GitHub nor the Debian GitLab instance provide this (although the
> latter could, in theory).
>  [1]: https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-
> January/035897.html
>  [2]: https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-
> January/035900.html
>  [3]: https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-
> January/035911.html
>  [4]: https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-
> January/035898.html
>  [5]: https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-
> January/035899.html
>  [6]: https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-
> January/035921.html
>  [7]: https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-
> January/035912.html
> Taking this all in, and putting the mailing lists issue aside for a bit,
> I still prefer moving to GitLab.com.  In terms of repository, issues and
> merge/pull request support it offers pretty much the same as GitHub, but
> on top of that allows you to log in using accounts users may have with
> (selected) other services.  This, I think, lowers the barrier to report
> issues.  Furthermore, GitLab.com comes with CI out-of-the-box (which is
> used already by the current *unofficial* mirror, btw!).
> The idea of putting a repository mirror on GitHub is interesting but I'm
> not sure how pull requests and issues would work out if things are split
> over multiple sites.
> Back to mailing lists, I think that for the short term making use of the
> Alioth mail continuation project[8] is our best alternative, although I
> am not exactly clear on that project's status.  If I understand things
> correctly the current list maintainer will be asked to opt in before
> Alioth is discontinued.
> I have also considered moving to lists.debian.org but in that case we
> probably won't be able to make the list subscriber-only or moderate
> incoming posts[9][10].
>  [8]: https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/MailingListContinuation
>  [9]: https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth#Mailing_lists
>  [10]: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list
> In either case, sane-commit is extremely likely to disappear (you can
> use the commit notification functionality of GitLab instead).  As for
> sane-standard (which has seen less than 100KB gzipped traffic since July
> 2004!), I think it doesn't serve any purpose.  SANE standard discussions
> can be held on sane-devel.  The sane-announce list sees even less
> traffic but does serve a well-defined purpose (prevent announcements
> from "drowning" in the other traffic) and should be migrated together
> with sane-devel.
> Anyway, I'll check the status on [8] and look at some other mailing list
> hosting solutions but in the mean-time, how does everyone feel about
> moving to GitLab.com?
> Hope this helps,
> --
> Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2            FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27
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