[sane-devel] [janitorial] Relocating the SANE Project
Paul Newall
p.newalls at ntlworld.com
Sat Jan 27 11:27:11 UTC 2018
I'm afraid I don't have any useful knowledge on this subject, so very
happy that someone is thinking about it.
Paul Newall
On 26/01/18 16:56, Jörn-Ingo Weigert wrote:
> It's ok with me, having a well known and used interface for pull/merge
> requests and on top support for mobile in either web and app form, I
> do really appreciate. So let's go to girls.com <http://girls.com>!
> *Backpack shouldered*
>
> Am 26.01.2018 9:59 vorm. schrieb "Olaf Meeuwissen"
> <paddy-hack at member.fsf.org <mailto:paddy-hack at member.fsf.org>>:
>
> Dear all,
>
> TL;DR :: Let's move to GitLab.com! Mailing list TBD.
>
> # Apologies for the belated follow-up. I planned to wait a week or so
> # to let the dust settle before following up but then Real Life got in
> # the way :-(
>
> Now for the long story,
>
> On 2018-01-08, Olaf Meeuwissen (that's me!) wrote:
>
> > [ ... Alioth will be discontinued sometime in 2018-05 ... so]
> > the SANE Project will no longer be able to:
> >
> > - communicate via the mailing lists
> > - push commits to its official git repositories
> > - update the bug and feature requests trackers
> > - update its website
> >
> > So we have to move some place else for our project hosting but
> where?
>
> I made a couple of suggestions and asked for feedback. Apart from one
> off-list request to join the SANE project on GitLab.com, not one
> of the
> SANE developers has chimed in. I will take that to mean that everyone
> will be fine with whatever gets chosen in the end. Speak up if that's
> not the case!
>
> The non-developers that did follow up mentioned[1] Sourceforge as a
> possibility (and questioned[2] whether that was serious), offered help
> with moving the mailing list to Debian infra-structure[1] (thanks,
> btw!) and a preference for GitHub[3][4].
>
> There was also a fairly detailed account[5] of the pros and cons of
> GitLab vs. GitHub as well as an offer to host mailing lists[6].
> Finally, there was a hint on how to get release notifications from
> GitHub using an RSS feed[7].
>
> There was the notion that GitLab/GitHub issues and merge/pull requests
> could meaningfully replace a large part of the mailing
> lists[3][5], yet
> having mailing lists (archives) around would be nice. Several people
> also pointed out that moving[4][5] and/or mirroring[3] git
> repositories
> elsewhere would be easy and that GitHub Pages have their "quirks"[5].
> Finally, the fact that GitLab.com supports logging in via GitHub,
> Google, Twitter and BitBucket accounts was pointed out as a pro[5].
> Neither GitHub nor the Debian GitLab instance provide this
> (although the
> latter could, in theory).
>
> [1]:
> https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035897.html
> <https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035897.html>
> [2]:
> https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035900.html
> <https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035900.html>
> [3]:
> https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035911.html
> <https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035911.html>
> [4]:
> https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035898.html
> <https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035898.html>
> [5]:
> https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035899.html
> <https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035899.html>
> [6]:
> https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035921.html
> <https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035921.html>
> [7]:
> https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035912.html
> <https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2018-January/035912.html>
>
> Taking this all in, and putting the mailing lists issue aside for
> a bit,
> I still prefer moving to GitLab.com. In terms of repository,
> issues and
> merge/pull request support it offers pretty much the same as
> GitHub, but
> on top of that allows you to log in using accounts users may have with
> (selected) other services. This, I think, lowers the barrier to
> report
> issues. Furthermore, GitLab.com comes with CI out-of-the-box
> (which is
> used already by the current *unofficial* mirror, btw!).
>
> The idea of putting a repository mirror on GitHub is interesting
> but I'm
> not sure how pull requests and issues would work out if things are
> split
> over multiple sites.
>
> Back to mailing lists, I think that for the short term making use
> of the
> Alioth mail continuation project[8] is our best alternative,
> although I
> am not exactly clear on that project's status. If I understand things
> correctly the current list maintainer will be asked to opt in before
> Alioth is discontinued.
>
> I have also considered moving to lists.debian.org
> <http://lists.debian.org> but in that case we
> probably won't be able to make the list subscriber-only or moderate
> incoming posts[9][10].
>
> [8]: https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/MailingListContinuation
> <https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/MailingListContinuation>
> [9]: https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth#Mailing_lists
> <https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth#Mailing_lists>
> [10]: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list
> <https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list>
>
> In either case, sane-commit is extremely likely to disappear (you can
> use the commit notification functionality of GitLab instead). As for
> sane-standard (which has seen less than 100KB gzipped traffic
> since July
> 2004!), I think it doesn't serve any purpose. SANE standard
> discussions
> can be held on sane-devel. The sane-announce list sees even less
> traffic but does serve a well-defined purpose (prevent announcements
> from "drowning" in the other traffic) and should be migrated together
> with sane-devel.
>
> Anyway, I'll check the status on [8] and look at some other
> mailing list
> hosting solutions but in the mean-time, how does everyone feel about
> moving to GitLab.com?
>
> Hope this helps,
> --
> Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2 FSF Associate Member since
> 2004-01-27
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