[Debian-zh-dev] Bug#960986: RFS: fortune-zh/2.96 [ITA] -- Chinese Data files for fortune

[atzlinux 肖盛文]

属于团队维护的包，其包的遗弃、收养、转移，可以有团队内部的约定，这个应当不违反
Debian 现有规则。

基于团队内原有上传者曾经对软件包维护的贡献，继续保留其名字在上传者字段，不知道会有哪些问题？

从目前现有的 Debian
规则来看，对团队维护这块，没有特别细化的限制条款，应该是给团队一定的自主权。团队内部达成一致就行。

就这个具体实例，估计中文团队之前是没有碰到过这类问题，没有讨论过，像这种情况，遵循
Debian 单个软件包的维护惯例，去掉上传者名字，这是没有问题的，我刚才也在 git
里面去掉了。


如果一个团队内部所有的其它人都不愿意接手维护这个软件包，我觉得应该是先取消这个软件包的团队维护，再遗弃这个软件包到
wnpp。

目前 Debian
里面，中文软件包本来就比较少，后续就不要轻易删除一个包了，中文团队有责任和义务维护好现有软件包，并引入更有价值的中文相关软件包。

有很多软件包，目前上游已经不活跃，缺少维护，这类软件包在 Debian
里面继续维护，确实会有很多困难。

作为这个软件包新的上游，相信接下来会遇到很多挑战，我会尽力而为，有问题大家多交流，多帮助。


在 2020/5/20 下午12:25, Mo Zhou 写道:
> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:03:00AM +0800, atzlinux 肖盛文 wrote:
>> 已经在 git 提交。fortune-zh 这个软件包是中文团队维护的软件包，像 Uploaders
>> 字段这类细节规则，我们团队内部是可以讨论确定。
> Debian has its own conventions in the Maintainers/Uploaders fields and
> there is no reason for Chinese dev team to override them.
>  
>> 曾经的上传维护者，继续留在 Uploaders 字段，也可以，当然去掉也行。
> Don't make such a simple fact equivocal.
>
> On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 05:24:02 GMT the original maintainer had changed the bug
> into an Orphan bug from an RFA bug:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=910181
>
> According to Debian policy section 3.3
> https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#the-maintainer-of-a-package
>   "An orphaned package is one with no current maintainer. Orphaned
>   packages should have their Maintainer control field set to Debian QA
>   Group <packages at qa.debian.org>"
> But by convention we don't waste resources uploading the package again
> merely dropping the maintainer from the control file.
>
> Plus, "Orphan" means "the maintainer can no longer maintain the package"
> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.en.html#orphaning-a-package
>
> Further more, the original maintainer stated that they had no interest in
> maintaining this package anymore, and was going to drop this package in #910181
>
> Various strong evidence indicates that the original maintainer should be
> removed when someone else takes it over.
>
> The "继续留在 Uploaders 字段，也可以，当然去掉也行" statement is
> dismissing the facts and making simple things equivocal.
>  
>> 一个属于团队维护的软件包，原 Uploaders
>> 不想继续维护了，优先在团队内部找人接手吧，
> Debian has its own standard process for maintainers to drop packages:
> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.en.html#orphaning-a-package
> The original maintainer had no reason to override the community convention.
>
> Imposing one's opinion on the team development workflow is impractical.
>
>> 如果有人愿意接手，就不一定要给
>> wnpp 发 ITO，直接内部转移即可。

我说这句话的意思，只是提到提到团队内部维护的软件包，先优先内部转移比较好。

我并没有明确到具体实例说，fortune-zh
这个软件包的遗弃，没有经过当时的团队内部沟通。

2018
年的中文邮件列表里面，我没有印象有收到过这个软件包遗弃的事情。或者当时还有其它沟通途径交流这个事情。

但是从 #910181 的文字描述来看，没有提及中文团队内部无人接手的情况。

>  
> You dismissed the fact again. The orignal maintainer had sent the bug
> #910181 on 3 Oct 2018. And clearly no one had intented to take that
> over.
> This physical world is driven by facts instead of subjective thoughts.
>  
>
> On the other hand, the original maintainer clearly stated the following
> in #910181 :
>
>   "Note, this is a native package. Adopting this package means
>    that you are going to be the new upstream."
>
> Just curious, are you prepared to become the new upstream, even if this
> package cannot be more simpler?
>
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